BS with Bob Schmidt

E4 Jackson Jantzen CPR Revolution

Things you’ll learn in this episode of the BS With Bob Schmidt Podcast.

1- What is a positive ripple, and how can you create one

2- We need to figure out how to have interest in talking to and listening everyone, because we all have something good to say.

3- Expect the unexpected from people, that you never know where the next connection will come from.

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Transcript of BS With Bob Schmidt Podcast “E4 Jackson Jantzen CPR Revolution ”

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Bob Schmidt: Ever thought of the expression It starts with you creating positive ripples. Jackson Johnson is the creator of CPR Revolution, creating positive ripples revolution. I’ve known Jackson for a long time and Jackson says, today’s a new day. It requires bravery in the face of fear, compassion, and love in the face of anger and hate. It’s this desire to create a strong community in support of inspiration, to energize a collection of individuals seeking to make a tangible, positive, impact. Those words there. Jackson say a lot. How can we all create positive ripples and a positive ripple revolution
Jackson Jantzen: for me? This started a lot of years ago. I had this moment of crisis in my life and I got, um, an opportunity to really find out who my friends were and then find out who the people I thought would be there for me in a crisis, a how many of those warrants. And so in those moments, uh, after all was said and done, I realized I had a lot of people in my life to be thankful for. And I really made an effort for a window of time to let each person know what an incredible positive ripple they have made in my life. Some some new it, some didn’t, some had no clue. But it let them know that, that they made a difference for me. I recognize, you know, how often we have these moments in a day where we engaged with the world and we are moving and speaking and engaging with other individuals and we’re using our own filters and oftentimes we’re, we’re not necessarily focusing on, on how we can be the best person in that moment.
Jackson Jantzen: And so I pulled the last many years I’ve, I’ve looked at my career and started looking at the potential professional job transitions and started looking how can I do this more in my life and in my career. So if I’m on my way into a non-profit setting where meet so many more people and more people coming into my life who were really working to be the best version of themselves. And it was a profound thing for me because I had been in a lot of corporate environments and other environments where, you know, there’s a way of behaving as expected, but you know, our, our idea of engaging in positive, having positive and engagement on creating positive ripples, that’s not necessarily what you encounter all of the time and in those environments. And so having an opportunity to have a regular engagement in that interaction with individuals from the community that I might not have normally.
Jackson Jantzen: I’m connected with it. It really taught me a lot about the pieces of humanity that we don’t get to hear a lot about. Through media or other things. Really began to think about what might happen if we could find a way to help these people connect with one another who are committed to living their lives in a way where they are working to create positive ripples every day in their lives for people not only for themselves, but for the people in their communities, for the people in their lives. And, um, car revolution became, became that thing for me to try to, to, to find those people and create those connections.
Bob Schmidt: Jackson, do you think that positive ripples are possible and everybody’s life?
Jackson Jantzen: You know, I, I do quite honestly. I think that’s, for me personally, this, this project has been more of a personal journey of healing for me than anything else up to this point because the more that I have thought about what some of the problems that we have, whether it be because of our lack of ability to communicate with one another or each other, listen to one another. Um, you know, those types of things are to deficit. Oftentimes. I do think positive ripples are something that every person can do and it’s, it’s a personal commitment that has to be name. Um, you know, Gandhi said, be the change that she wants to see in the world. There is so much wisdom there for, for, for centuries, there has, there’s wisdom out there to this effort, into this way of living. But culturally we’ve been conditioned to believe that that can’t exist in our current culture and circumstance.
Bob Schmidt: You know, in, in the amount of time that I’ve known you, I’ve known you for a couple of years. I know that you’ve changed quite a bit, that you’ve got a lot more positive about yourself, I think. I think that you have grown as a, uh, as a leader. I think that, uh, that you’ve had the opportunity, I think to come out of your shell more or less because I remember the very first time that I interviewed you, which was probably four or five years ago, and how nervous you were when you walked into. You walked into the studio and I, honest to God Jackson, you were. I mean, you look like a scared and then now look at you. Now you’re, you know, you’ve started your CPR revolution. You’re out talking to people, you’re getting in front of groups, your, you know, you’re changing lives, you Jackson or being the positive ripple in people’s lives.
Jackson Jantzen: I appreciate that, that validation and you’re serving as a witness in that regard. It’s I, I appreciate that because I think that’s, for all of us, life is a series of lessons and we’re here to learn and improve as human beings and that’s, that’s my philosophy and if all of our comfort zones get to once we find a really good comfort zone that works for us, it’s hard to push ourselves outside of that
Bob Schmidt: because I thought that that’s exactly what I think a lot of people have a hard time doing because we all seem to get stuck into our comfort zone. And once we’re in that comfort zone, we don’t want to let go of the, uh, the proverbial life jacket, if you will. And, uh, you know, out of all the people that I know and all the people that I’ve talked to, Jackson, you’re the person who’s kind of throwing that life jacket off to the side and kind of pushed it away.
Jackson Jantzen: Yeah, it’s some, you know, honestly, it’s, it’s some of the, taking a position as an executive director of a non-profit was, at first I was a huge step because I had always aspired I, I’ve done that now in management in corporate environments and whatnot. So I had gotten to work with people a lot, but this was the first gig that I had where I was responsible for all the functioning of a organization. But I also had this feeling or understanding that I knew that I had a lot of limitations. She being able to do that job and I had a lot of fears about being in front of people. I, you know, I’m, I’m trying and so growing up as a gender nonconforming female, I found the world would be really hostile and for a long for a major part of my life worked really hard to be invisible to other people because I didn’t want to say crap from them.
Jackson Jantzen: And so becoming an executive director of the center pushed a couple of things for me because it forced me to, to overcome some of my fears around engaging in public speaking and things like that. But it also because because there were so many rewards in engaging and embracing my fears and trying to overcome them, it just became easier and easier to do. And so the last couple of years, and especially over the last year, I’ve been working really hard. If something scares me, it’s well, you have two kinds of fear right here that we should run because we’re about to be eaten by the lions or you know, we have fears that our ego’s response to us because it puts us outside of our comfort zone. And I’m not talking about, you know, standing face to face with the lion, but you know, I’m talking about standing face to face with all of those times where your ego is telling you that you don’t want to be, um, you don’t want to be mocked or you don’t want to, you know, be disliked. Or like all of these negative things that keep us from engaging the world in some way and each of those things have arisen. I have tried to, to, to, to have a mindfulness about it so that I can step into the city and I can either fail and learn from it or overcome it and still a little bit stronger.
Bob Schmidt: Jackson is there. There’s so many people that are so negative. How do you end up turning that negative into a positive or you know, deal with when is not
Speaker 4: being the nicest or the most, you know, the most welcoming to you,
Jackson Jantzen: you know, and honestly, uh, this is, uh, this is a work in progress for me because this, this also goes with judgments. You know, I find, I, I found myself having to work both on my judgment. Just does because we’re human beings. We, we, we’ve learned through, through living, we need to come up with judgments and just so that we can assess our situation. But oftentimes those ended up going into refrain judgments around people so that we’re compartmentalizing and then putting them into boxes before we know anything about them. So I’m really, um, part of, part of this for me was realizing how many judgments I had where were or house because it’s an ongoing process, but, uh, you know, recognizing where those are and then trying to imagine trying to work through my own judgements because the more that I do that, then there’s, there are people, uh, you know, we’re having this conversation about being the change and having positive ripples and it’s not realistic to think that a hundred percent of humanity has ever going to get to the place where I’m going to get the, a gym person because I know that that will create a better society and culture.
Jackson Jantzen: You know, we’ve, we’ve got a lot of people that are really attached to power and pain and hate and anger and those are not the folks that I am really seeking to extend the energy on. Right now. I’m making the conscious decision that if there’s somebody who is looking to have a fight, I, you know, for me, I’ve given myself permission to walk away and I have a desire to engage. But I want to have a respectful dialogue. I want to understand the difference that people are coming with the, the difference in thought that different than it is a difference in opinion, but in we are all parties in the conversation are interested in hearing and listening to one another and having a shared engagement so that the whole purpose is to the tour people are those however many people are involved are, are, are connecting and understanding one another, you know, those are the Times that I want to engage and somebody can be angry and frustrated, but if they are willing to be present in that space there where they are at least compartmentalizing the anger for the time being so that they can try to be in a place of conversation.
Jackson Jantzen: So for me it’s how I’m engaging. How much does that other person really wants to engage, how much do they really want to be a partner in the conversation? And then I’m making an assessment as to how I’m going to engage based on that. How you, when you and I talked, uh, you know, the multiple times when I was living in the cross, I was trying to figure out how to organize community around. What this has now become for me is I realized that I can’t really organize community. What I have to do is organize individuals who are wanting to take control of the reality that they’re experiencing
Speaker 4: or I wonder if you just
Bob Schmidt: do more yourself and then like-minded people will follow, you know.
Jackson Jantzen: Right. Exactly. And so in part of this value is, is that, um, you know, part of it is, is the people who are looking to abuse their, their illusions, you know, and, and I’m looking to challenge the way that they’ve always looked at the world and thought about the world. You know, and when I started thinking about the people that are doing that, it’s really hard to kind of organize around that when you’re trying to tell people, I want you to be unique individuals who are either resists the know and the way that we’ve been told that we should do this and engage. And, you know, it’s really hard to both organize, uh, and, and, and see gross folks out to like, again to look at it more from the perspective of how do I talk about my path and my journey and the lessons I’m learning and doing this and then hopefully be able to draw the people who are already doing that work so well in to the conversation so that we can, we can help each other develop and improve the way that we’re engaging in the world in personally. And then from there we can build bridges.
Bob Schmidt: Right. Well you mentioned normal. Is it really such a thing as normal?
Jackson Jantzen: Uh, well I, I think that we have, we have norms that are, we’re expected to live in, you know, it’s like, and when I, when I, again, I’ll talk about one of the norms, you know, I think about like lgbt people or gay people and when we talked about the norms that you and I were raised into is a family like a family was, was more, most times families when the into treating people like shit in order to save their souls or in order to normalize them for society so that their life would feel so far. And instead of saying, OK, we are the, here are the few people in this world that this person can count on, we are going to show them unconditional love and support that, you know, and, and, but instead people come into the world and be like, I’ve got to fit into these boxes. And so even though I tell myself that I’m all about loving, compassionate and treating this person like shit because I want them to have a better experience in oracle and be a stronger, tougher person, if that makes sense. Um, and so we sell out ourselves as far as our empathy or compassion are our sense of, of, of love and I’m doing a decent person. We sell out all of those things so that we can better fit into society in a hateful way. Society history and our culture.
Bob Schmidt: Well, do you think then that ties into back to judgment then?
Jackson Jantzen: It does tie for me that became that, that, that has taken me to judgment because I realized that the judgment piece is what has really kind of it. It stops us in our tracks from using stepping into a, into a, into a new situation. So when I first started thinking about a lot of this, this project for me was like, well these are the things we’re really screwed up. It’s like what can I do? Like where’s the cons to this to fixing these things? And so as I was looking for myself as what the root cause for me not stepping out of my comfort threshold and going into other communities that I’m not familiar with that where, you know, it’s like I sometimes fear paralyzes me from doing things that I should be doing to either engage or build bridges.
Bob Schmidt: I really think that everybody has that. I think that everybody goes through the crap that society throws at you. Doesn’t matter if you’re, you know, if you’re going to talk in front of a group of people that you know, that you don’t know, a group of your family members, a group of anybody, I think,
Jackson Jantzen: well yeah, that’s exactly it. And how often do you use, do people have on the regular have help getting through that? And how often is it easier to stay in that fear and, and feed your ego and say, OK, I’m just not to do anything that I should be doing right now because it’s more comfortable to come to nodding and you know, and, and how often that paralyze. And again, I have to all of those things, all of these things I’m talking about, I’m thinking about them as, as the complexities of us as, as human beings, and I think most of us do experience, but I also, I’m very clear as to I need to talk about this from my own personal experience because I don’t want to sound judging. I don’t want people to sound like I’m trying to come to divert or that I’m, I’m trying to preach or anything else. And so when I’m talking about this, I’m really trying. I’ve been trying to focus on first person narratives and telling my story or telling my experience because I also don’t want to make assumptions that other people are experiencing exactly the same thing I am because we’ve all had completely different experiences of the world just because of the way that our lives unfold.
Bob Schmidt: Well, let me, that actually brings me to another point because earlier on in the conversation you mentioned that your gender nonconformist female. Is that the correct way of saying it? That you were. Yeah, I mean, what, what does that mean to somebody that doesn’t know?
Jackson Jantzen: I was born and assigned female at birth and for me trying to fit into our gender norms of what [inaudible] is supposed to look like. It was from the time that I could walk. I never fit into the box as well and I was not feminine. I was, I was very gender non-conforming and um, when I would walk the streets as a kid, I repeatedly dealt with people going out of their way to ask me if I was a, a so that that is the gender non-conforming. So I kind of grew up in the society being told that I needed to conform to what it, what it meant and how a female should act like you had the entire, the entire time. My entire internal embodiment was male and self mail and so it was disconnected.
Bob Schmidt: So do you think that that pushed you toward starting creative, positive ripples and the revolution?
Jackson Jantzen: No, I, I would have to say that every moment of my life. You know, it’s in the last year again, I, I’ve had some tremendous opportunities for, for personal reflection rather than. I spent a lot of my life looking at my life as this series of, of painful experiences and it just licensed general, just kind of felt like the punch and again, reflecting and thinking, OK, how do I, how do I move forward so that it doesn’t feel like that? And I started. I had to look at my past and look at all of those pieces and as I, as I reflected on those really problematic, frustrating and painful experiences that I had for the first, you know, most of my life up until this point, there was this moment where it’s almost a perfect alignment where every negative thing I could see how that happened and how it led me to a lesson or to understanding my strength or the understanding my courage or understanding my ability to overcome. And so it’s hard for me to say that any one thing that leads to this. Every everything in my life for the moments of realizing that I needed to walk this path.
Bob Schmidt: So Jackson, how can we personally create positive ripples?
Jackson Jantzen: Right now? I’m thinking that everything starts off with trying to to be self reflective and figure out where we are in it were individually, every one of us is, is engaging and the good things that are happening and then really kind of identifying and looking at how well maybe we’re not a creating the positive so that we can start to change that those are the first steps and then the next step becomes trying to figure out how to start conversations and talk to him. And um, and that’s going to be a big step for being going forward as I begin to talk about this because that is a huge component. I think that a lot of us think that we are listening to and hearing one another when we’re not. And we make assumptions because of the way that you’ve experienced the world. We hear what people say, we take it in and we make it fit our realities.
Jackson Jantzen: But rarely I’m witnessing are, are individuals very consciously focused on trying to understand the person in front of me and trying to understand what it is is that they’re saying and what they mean and what their truest intention behind that and until we can find and monitor the way that we are listening, I don’t even know how to start those conversations so that when the very first things that I’m have been reflecting on and trying to figure out how to to improve is my listening and my ability to communicate and then trying to start conversations with others so that we can explore ways to improve that within a community of people that are really interested in, in building that space of conversation.
Bob Schmidt: You know, Jackson, I’ve been reading some of the stuff on your blog and you notice some of the simple things in life that actually have made an impact and things like expecting pieces. Childish. You wrote that. But as I read that, as I read that piece, I think that the title is different than what the actual saying of the, of the pieces.
Jackson Jantzen: Absolutely. Well, and, and I, I’m, I meant that on purpose because I wanted it to be a double meaning because you know, I think that we are really attached to, but at the same time we don’t, we don’t give it the honor it when it comes in the embodiment of children, often times adults when they’re, when they’re talking about trying to live that. And honestly I don’t, I’m not a scholar so I’m not gonna try to say why we do that as individual, but it is probably so I really wanted to talk about that and I feel like there’s, there’s this basic wisdom and sometimes it feels like bumper sticker wisdom that we have. We have been given generation after generation and in some cases I felt like I have internalized it almost as, as a joke or mockery in some cases and I know that I’ve experienced our culture doing that.
Bob Schmidt: When you said stick a bumper sticker, I automatically thought of, well, bumper sticker, twitter, facebook. I mean, we’re all just throwing stuff out there as much as we can and kind of hopes of being either somebody’s reading, liking or commenting on stuff that we happened to, you know, happen to witness.
Jackson Jantzen: Yeah. There was, there was this internal shift that needed to happen because when I say that bumper sticker, wisdom is wisdom that makes us feel really good and are like, oh yeah, that’s great. That’s a great idea. That’s a great philosophy. How nice to my ear kind of a here’s a ribbon. If I don’t have to do any work and we can just have that happen, let’s do that. And you know, so that’s the one I. and, and from my life, I was trying to get to this place of having a deeper understanding of it, but I really connected with a bumper sticker wisdom. But at the same time it’s like if you don’t have the deeper intention to or understanding to my, you’re connecting it with your actions, then the bumper sticker wisdom is just, you know, it’s, it’s, it doesn’t do anything if it’s. If it’s just attached to the back of your car and you’re not having actually been a it related to implementing it. Right. And so I think that’s a, in the last year I’ve really been focusing in looking at that connection of uh, are, are, are the actions there to support the rhetoric, the words, you know, and, and, and, and, and also I’m really trying to reflect more so on how do I, how do I speak with my actions,
Bob Schmidt: you know, you mentioned, you mentioned earlier about, you know, the communication side. Do you think that maybe if we listen to one, one another and listen to each other and actually listened to what somebody said, that we would actually start to create positive ripples on her own just just by listening.
Jackson Jantzen: Absolutely. Because one of the pieces that I’ve been really trying to figure out how to, how to write or I actually I want to get some input from other people because I would be really interested to see how many people would feel like they are really hurt and what I mean it’s not, you’re sitting in a meeting and you say, Oh, let’s get, Oh, you know, let’s, let’s give a different kinds of coffee for the coffee pot in the, in the break room. You know, it’s not, it’s not like that. It’s, it’s, you know, feeling like when you speak, people are engaging here and understand what you’re saying. I know that I don’t feel that very often and I got some amazing people that are really good at, at, at, at communicating yet at the same time get caught up in, in our lives and then what’s going on in our perceptions of what’s going on and, and, and have a hard time just letting that person know that they’re seen and heard. I mean, if he began just letting those people in our lives and know that they’re seen and heard by us, that gives them strength and, and gives them a sense of connection. And then from there, you’re, you’re able to, to build beyond the people that are in life.
Bob Schmidt: Where do you see, where do you, where do you see creating positive ripples and the revolution? Where do you see that in five, 10, a hundred years from now?
Jackson Jantzen: You know, I, I, uh, I’m, I’m reflecting on this as if I just already talked to him about this as a thought project that I have is something that I have craved as far as finding community and people who hurt are similarly interested in engaging in the woods. And I would love to think that this could create a space for people as they decide that the way that they’re living in a little just is not working for them anymore. And they want to change this. This type of engagement really takes practice and it takes being around people that are willing to let you mess up and that are willing to see your humanity and support you in that. And so for me, one or two people could, could be drawn to this work. 100,000 people can be drawn to this it, but it doesn’t matter as long as the people that are drawn to it are finding that that connection to other people that help them feel like they are building skills and learning and have people in there, in there as a community that will support them.
Jackson Jantzen: And that becomes critical. And for me, if I can connect with a couple of people that say these connections of how I’ve changed my life and it has helped me really rethink how I’m moving in the world than, or her supported me in that practice. Cause you know, some people, I know that there’s a lot of people that are already doing my ideal is just to create a space so that we can kind of support each other and learn from each other in how to do things better. Right? And so when you were asking before about the communication piece, me being part of the lgbt community has been a huge piece and learning her for that because we have learned through trying to educate the public that are personal stories and that people being able to see that humans face is a, is a huge, is a huge factor in moving the dial on issues and gaining it.
Jackson Jantzen: So I cannot imagine why it wouldn’t work with every other issue that we have. And when I think about things, the biggest issues that we have, I think it boils down to our basic inability to, to connect and communicate with one another, are disinterested in trying to understand the issues comprehensively and complexity and, and also being willing to get out of our comfort zones in case you know, the answers don’t necessarily fit, you know, with what our perceptions of things should be and being willing to even exist in that. If somebody doesn’t agree with us or whatever, you know.
Bob Schmidt: Absolutely. Well, I think that it doesn’t matter if you’re in the Lgbtq community or the any other community. I think that there’s always going to be people out there that are naysayers that don’t, that don’t have the same thoughts or beliefs that you do and you just kind of have to power through those things. I think that everybody has to deal with, you know, with things like that. How Jackson, how, how do you expect to grow the, uh, the CPR revolution
Jackson Jantzen: so far? This has been a, this has been an intuitive journey. I did a video last November in which I started to think about this, but I really, I still hadn’t wrapped my arms around the complexity of the directions that it could go. And so for me in the beginning right now it’s just I’m trying to talk about some of the things that I’ve been witnessing around the communication piece and, and our, our personal commitments to responsibility or our personal responsibility to, to, to engagement. And then once I am able to have more conversations like this with people and really kind of let people in to, to the deeper idea behind it, then we will see where things will go. Ideally, I would like to be able to bring in other voices, uh, to be able to promote on the website, but then also we’re also trying to find ways to create a template or a tool kit that people will be able to download so that people can create a meeting spaces in their own communities and ideally have these physical spaces that people can come to and have weekly conversations or monthly conversations depending on upon the desires.
Bob Schmidt: Do you see this being a worldwide revolution or within the states or within your state? Within a, you know, I
Jackson Jantzen: think so that the dysfunction in the US is, is really just hours. So I really think that there is this, this is, you know, something that could resonate with anybody in any country. Um, you know, this is, this is, this is a combination of philosophies and values that I think most human beings hold in one way, shape or form and whether or not people’s desires to do the work themselves to do it more regularly or, um, you know, might, might vary. But I do think it could be more. I think with technology and the Internet that makes it possible now I’m just trying to look at getting it off the ground and, and stay local right now is where it is. But if you have people from other countries found the blog and just wanting to contribute, that would be amazing.
Bob Schmidt: What are the ways. Cause I think you and I spoke about this a couple of years ago when you were first kind of coming up with the idea and I’ve always thought of the creating positive ripples as if somebody took us, uh, a rock and threw it into the water and the ripple effects that, that it, that it creates your, you know, cause every, every action has a reaction. And that’s actually, that’s how I, that’s how I picture this. I mean, is that kind of your thoughts on it also or is that just the way that I interpret it?
Jackson Jantzen: That’s totally yet for the ripples from that perspective, that’s a great visual for me. It came down again, I’m realizing the impact that other people’s actions have on me and thus I was able to have on, on others because they had supported me and in a moment and for me it became just a common practice of it and like almost like a daily meditative practice of OK, if I’m leaving the house today, you know, I can decide that I’m going to be a crusty, you know, negative person or I can try to bring some positivity in the intellectual. And the one thing that we all get to decide on and control is our attitude. And so for me it was a, it was almost a meditative practice of how can I try to make those smaller moments matter and have a better impact. And I recognize that when I wasn’t doing that I would get self absorbed and self involved in, you know, it could wander through the grocery store and, you know, not notice that I was in people’s way or things like that. And now I just, I wanted to be a little less oblivious to the world. And, and, and in hopes that by just, by moving in the world that could, that could improve something for somebody and you know, you never know where those ripples will dial smiles, you smile, you open the door for somebody all the way up to your, your, your, there for them in a big moment.
Bob Schmidt: Right. Well, I mean I really look at just how some counters and the making a difference to, you know, I, I, I look at almost everybody that I’ve met that have, that has meaning in my life. It just happened to be that I ran into him this way or I mean, in our situation, you just say you called me because I answered it. I answered a question and we had the conversation that we’ve had many conversations since then and built a friendship on the fact that it was just, you know, that it was a chance encounter of I really don’t think that our lives would have ever crossed had an, you know what I mean?
Jackson Jantzen: Exactly. And um, you know, like my time living in Lacrosse and, and with uh, you are, were a pivotal person with that because of everything they said. I had a couple of other people there, I met folks and I was just, it was one of those moments where people dropped into my life who might not have otherwise done so because of the position that I was serving in and the serendipity of it and I learned what was possible if, if I, if I let my guard down slowed down and didn’t know it was not always expecting to be beaten. Right. It’s like there was part of me that was always expecting to like the new interactions and new people. There was this anxiety about are they going to be me or you know. And so like when I finally like, like worked in that helped heal the pieces around that where it was like, OK, I’m going to get over my fear and even if I’m afraid I’m going to still go one, I’m going to do this.
Jackson Jantzen: And you know, like I was, I was finding that it was really incredible. Those, those moments can connect with people where they didn’t get the stereotypes that I might have bought into my head, nor, and then, and then they were just really engaging and you were one of them. Um, I really appreciated the way that I’ve learned to converse because of your willingness to be present in conversation. And so connecting with you and a few others really kind of led me to this place of what would be possible if we could say, OK, we need to, we need to slow things down and we need to figure out how to talk to one another. We need to figure out how to be, have interest in talking to and listening and not just in general.
Bob Schmidt: Honestly, Jackson, I feel the same way. I mean, I, I, I [inaudible], I had no idea. I mean the stuff that we’ve talked about, I’m on my radio program and sitting down drinking beers and just be over lunch is stuff that I, I had no idea who to even ask or who to, you know what I mean? T to answer some of those questions. And I really, I do appreciate you as well and I think that just, just that, that the communication piece has opened up the doors for I think a lot of people to see and to understand a little bit more, you know, I, I know that was my radio program. I had comments afterwards with people saying, you know what, I had no idea that that was a struggle. I didn’t realize that, you know, that somebody had to deal with that or that or that people are such a holes that they would judge somebody with without even having conversation with him before.
Bob Schmidt: And I believe I probably fell into that too. And like you said, uh, you know, I think with the conversations that we’ve had and maybe the whole stereotype thing, I think I probably had a stereotype that I thought of before before we met. But then after we met, I’m like, Nah man, that’s, you’re a good person. And I think that, uh, that that’s just something that a lot of people need to open up and, and to see, I guess is to have conversation. It starts off with a hello. I mean, it really, it really truly does. I think that the, the first step in a positive ripple is to say hi or to smile or how are you doing? And actually listening and care about that person’s answer rather than rather than the, the, the, the half asked, hey, how’s it going? And then not caring and just keep on walking, you know, absolutely. Respect and loyalty is something you have on your website under your personal principles for being human. And I think that that’s something that a lot of us, and I say us collectively don’t have. I mean we don’t, I think so many people don’t have respect for their fellow man. I don’t think that people have respect for themselves. I don’t think that people have respect for our communities and our environment. How can we build that respect and loyalty back up
Jackson Jantzen: for him to leave the building respect as a, that’s, that’s kind of a personal piece because that, again, that is a meditative practice in some regards because we can, you know, and, and I’m not saying like, ah, I’m not saying I respect everyone or even like everyone because we were human beings and we’re all different and we all move in the world differently, but my, the idea of respect is when, when moving into a space, especially if I’m engaging somebody I do not know there, there is no way for me to work to be other than to try to be respectful in the beginning to try to understand, to go into that because it just doesn’t respect to the human being. You know, the, the respect piece is something I’m still trying to work through because there are a lot of human beings who have done a lot of really disappointing and so it’s like, OK, where does the respect piece?
Jackson Jantzen: At some point you obviously had I can we talk about this for me and this for me as an exploration because it is OK, what is the tipping point? I should come into all situations of respecting human beings, but at one point do I get to give myself permission to disengage from the person because I am, I’m there where we’re not connecting in a way where we can have mutual scarborough. It kind of goes back to what I said in the beginning. If somebody is coming to me just a fight, they’re not showing you respect. So at that point I’m walking away and, but I’m, I’m, I’m trying to maintain an ethos so that I keep the door open and if there is an opportunity for the two people that walk through the door, uh, or, or to connect and, and, and meet in a respectful space, then that is my desire. If that makes sense.
Bob Schmidt: That makes. That makes total sense. And I’m just going to say, man, I don’t think we’re both able to fit through the door at the same time.
Jackson Jantzen: That analogy doesn’t work because if you’re coming from
Bob Schmidt: direction. Yeah. Anyway, so the final question I want to ask you is, is this, so what does, what does creating positive ripples mean to you?
Jackson Jantzen: For me it’s just a way of being in the room and, and it’s, it’s just, it’s an ethos that I have and I really don’t. I really can’t imagine a world where if you had a lot of people who are really focused on the smallest of actions and what they, let’s say represents the more people we have focused on on that. I think that that is what moves the dial on every issue that it impacts. Um, and, and we take, we take a lot of power and control away from people when we slow down and start having those conversations to start to listen to one another because then we don’t have people off in the distance, you know, riling up and, and, and getting you up and into a place where you can’t even see through. And again, um, without it being emotional or the geology. And so I, I really think about this as personal in engagement and, and, and desire to reflect on the moment to moment ripples that we’re creating. So as, as to eventually, you know, create a, a more, a more compassionate reality from the box.
Bob Schmidt: How do we join the revolution?
Jackson Jantzen: It takes nothing to join a personal commitment and if you want to be part of the conversation, um, we have both a facebook group so that we can have conversations with or as the group bills. And then the website is CPR revolution a revolution that awareness or CPR was [inaudible]
Bob Schmidt: you have them both.
Jackson Jantzen: I do have them both so that they’re both pointing on other websites because I didn’t want people to get confused on.
Bob Schmidt: Absolutely. Jackson Janssen. Thanks a lot for sharing your story with us. The CPR revolution, you can be a part of that CPR or CPR You can join their facebook group, also follow him on twitter. Yeah.
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