BS with Bob Schmidt

E6 Mark L. Walberg -Gambling, TV and Being Married


Things you’ll learn in this episode of the BS With Bob Schmidt Podcast.

1- It’s a small world and people you work with today, just may be the same people you work with at a later date.

2- People treat you differently when they know who you are and try to knock you off your game, especially when playing poker.

3- It is possible to be married for a long time and live in Hollywood.

Find Mark Walberg here:

MarkLWalberg.net

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@marklwalberg 

Transcript of BS With Bob Schmidt Podcast “E6 Mark L. Walberg -Gambling, TV and Being Married ”

You know from Temptation Island we also seen him on antique road show all around good guy. I’ve actually met Mark Wahlberg. No not that Mark Wahlberg the real Mark Wahlberg.

Mark welcome to the show. Thank you and it’s nice to be introduced as the real Mark Wahlberg. It’s all relative I guess. Well you’re older than him right. I am. Absolutely.  Well lets just say the original on Antiques Roadshow we’re always looking for the originals. So there you go.

So how does somebody go about getting a job as the host of Antique Roadshow.

Well and boy if I’m correct you in the yellow sort of Antiques Roadshow which was one of the first lessons I had learned when I got the job. You know I’ve been a broadcaster my whole career I’ve done all sorts of reality shows and TV game shows and stuff and Anthony Croci have been on the air for years and they need a new host because Larry Spencer was pregnant and leaving the show and I got a call from my agent saying their interest in talking to you and I really thought it was I was being punched because I’d done some crazy reality shows and I know back on antiques but. So the story goes that I sent in my tape where they sent me my tape and then they came out to California with me and that meeting was awkward at first and then turned into being great and I’m really great friends with all those people now. But the first question they asked me was Why do you think you’d be a good host for antiques roadshow to which I answered I have no idea you called me just because crazy as you do.

And then I basically said what is true. And look you know you got all the greatest experts in the world. The last thing you need is another expert. You know you need a curious observer a curious dude which is what most all these numbers are and that’s the role I’d be happy to play. So then the next story goes apparently that there were some finalists and they were playing demo reels in the office and people were walking by and when they were playing mine I guess people stopped and watched. So I got up.

Well that’s pretty cool. So do you have background in radio or is it all television all TV.

You know I was raised in South Carolina. My family was very involved in community theater so I was always on stage and performing when I was really young. I audition her group called the young Americans that tours all over the world now. And that brought me out to California and so was doing that for a while. That was great. And when I got married I need to get a job. So I went to work at Dick Clark Productions just as a runner. You know the lowest rung of the ladder. And my idea was really to learn television production because I didn’t have a college degree. And I was kind of scrambling to figure out what I was going to do and I didn’t really think I had it to be an actor so I liked showbusiness so much that I wanted to be involved in some way. So I went into production and I started learning everything I could about TV production and while doing that we were on a taping for a show for Dick Clark and we got to the studio and there was no warmup guy for the audition.

Well let me let me ask this. Is there always a warm up person sort of somebody to get the audience ready to go.

Usually you’re in a studio show with an audience because studio taping can be laborious. They usually hire a warm up comedian to entertain a studio audience. Keep them apprised of what’s going on. Get the reaction you want on the shows that have an audience that are on camera. You know that kind of a role. So yeah it’s a standard position and quite lucrative as a business for a lot of guys. I’ve never seen anybody do it and I really had no frame of reference so Deckard just pulled me aside and said you know you’re that funny kid from the office so just go out there and have some trivia questions give away a T-shirt. And he had no expectation no one had any expectation but I had had years in front of audiences. So I just went out and created a relationship which is you know my style of performance and I never really thought of myself as a comedian although I like to think sometimes I am comedic. But I you know I’m an observer and I I know how to create relationship with the audience. So it went great. People were really like buzzing about how I did. And the next thing I knew I was getting calls from other producers.

And can you call in sick and come to warm up for me and have I had the time I was making something like 250 dollars a week working in the office and warm up as being several hundred dollars a day. I was like yeah I can do that. And then it wasn’t long before that became my career. So I was the warmup guy for several years.

That’s for young Americans as an improv group or what did you guys do.

So young Americans is this nonprofit touring musical theater predominately group of young kids from you know 18 to 22 years old and it really is a song and dance. And I was in college and they came to town doing a concert tour and I auditioned after the concert and got accepted for what they had at the time which is this college credit summer stock program. And I went to that and they accepted me into the group so I moved out to California and I was no part of their touring group for a couple few years. So it really is an incredible training ground for not just performance arts but tap tech information and you know audio and lighting and and the basic understanding of what it takes to work and produce anything in addition to you know the transformational aspects of what music can do for people who don’t you know enjoy that you know don’t don’t have an outlet for that. So you know really it is a great experience for a lot of people and I’m still very much involved with them. But for me it was a transition from South Carolina into my life that I had no idea it was going to happen.

So it sounds like a lot of your stuff Mark just kind of having it say fell into your lap but a lot of it is right place and saying yes well saying yes is the right answer the right places you’re always in the right place.

And I do a lot of speaking now and one of the things I usually start with is if you want to make God laugh make plans. That phrase is a little bit cliche but it rings true for me in almost every aspect of my life that opportunity show up and they rarely look like what you had planned them to be. And I haven’t found that taking you know measured steps in a plan to get to a result is as effective as just saying yes to whatever pops up front and so I was able to do that and was pretty supple about and pretty confident maybe ignorant about what I what I could do. So when people would say hey this is an opportunity I would say sure and I could tell you stories be happy days are here but things that I ended up doing that I certainly wasn’t qualified to do but pulled off the stage. The musical numbers for a two hour CBS prime time for the July special that I was not qualified to do. So you know that that’s one story things that happened that was like How are you a choreographer on a primetime special right now when you don’t even dance.

But you know I said yes they were it was a Dick Clark production and I was I had the time I had a deposition and I was just my job was to enter and log in invoices and get people paid. I mean it was so not creative but I was you know in the producers role working at my desk and producer I actually was Director Lew Horvitz a huge Emmy Award winning director who was meeting with all these choreographers. So Kenny Ortega and Paula Abul and I forgot who else. And it just wasn’t working out. And every time he walked by my desk I would joke with him and say hey I can do this. You may need I can do this. And he’d laugh and I’d laugh. And then one day about a week out he called me the office of look if I tell you I want a marching band he hit the stage on this Beatles music can you make that happen. I said I’m your man.

So the next thing I know I’m in Philadelphia on the back of Independence Hall with Dick Clark standing next to me who at this point I was still so low on the ladder that I still got pretty starstruck whenever I was in his presence. And I’m I’m telling him what to do and you know I’m in a recording session with Frankie Avalon and you know I’m just pretending you know what I’m doing.

So that’s just one of a million examples of say yes and figured out later that has paid off for me.

So do you lose a lot of sleep when somebody says OK hey Mark this what you’re doing I need this to happen you need to have somebody pop out of a cannon on this beat you do you lose sleep when you try to figure that some voters are just kind of comes you know you know the way I look at it is once you said yes and you’re in.

You go into survival mode. You just go past the fear and the second guessing him into action. And we’re all better in action anyway. You know once we’re once with committed and there’s no resistance. If I can get heady with you then you just get down to getting it done and you either do well or you don’t. And in so many of these cases as I’ve described the people who have asked me to do jobs that I may or may not be qualified for were in a pickle where they wouldn’t have come out of their wheel house anyway to find somebody. So I always loved that because if it is a panic situation with the people who hires you so either you’re going to not do well and they expect that because it was a gamble. Where are you going to do moderately well. They’re going to think you’re a hero or you’re going to be great and you’re going to be like you know something miraculous. So I like the way the odds that and I bring my desk self and I do my best work. The truth is that it’s entertaining audiences whether you’re producing something for television or if you’re doing a musical or if you’re on radio or or performance art if it all comes down to the same beat you know you just listen to what the crowd wants and you give it to them.

Is it hard to build the relationships that you do because it seems as though when I watch you do the prices right live you if you make it you make an instant friend with the person that’s on stage with you.

That’s probably because they want to win but there’s a lot of people that are very uncomfortable doing that and you make it look pretty easy on the right live it’s even more difficult than anywhere else because in a normal game show on television the contestants have been screened and they’re rehearsed. You know they know the game. They are selected because they’re great right. And they’ve got great energy. And so from a host standpoint that is Bishan a barrel on prices right like the randomly selected out of the audience. So that’s all you’re speaking of is really important for me it’s a natural thing that I’ve had to break down to try to teach others the power of it. And for me there are a couple of tools I use. One is and I’ll try to say this and not be too California will do about it. But it’s about listening humans speak both individually and collectively and rarely with words. If you think about words as in communication. Sort of like the fart joke. I’m laughing that I’m using this analogy but when you do a joke about poop or fart or something like that it always get a laugh. The easiest laugh again is not particularly a good laugh. It’s always there and he’s speaking and hearing people speak. That’s the default easiest way to communicate but it’s not the most effective way to communicate. So for me as a host on stage I listen to what’s not being said. I listen to body language or listen to the words you’re saying but why they chose those words. As I observe and from that I’m able to speak into what the audience and the contestant is listening for right because I’m listening to that. And that creates an immediate bond of safety with the person you are dealing with also. And this is sort of a tool. I feel like everybody when you come on stage or you’re in the situation that you’re uncomfortable everybody has sort of a bubble of safety around them like a space safe space like you know when you’re at a party and people are close talkers and it makes you uncomfortable. Yes well we do that naturally that’s part of that communication that talked about so as a host and if you think about it now you’ll notice that every time I get a contest and I put my arm around them I hold their hand I put my hand on their shoulder even if it’s a guy. And when I do that I’ve broken that bubble of their own security safety zone and I’ve become their ally. So as I’ve got to handle their backs or on their elbow or you know as you’ll see sometimes we’re like in a pull embrace the whole time or I’m holding a hand. They relapse. I can now sense what’s going on with them and let them know I’ve got them because the last thing you want to be is an amateur on stage you’re going to 2500 people. And no one’s touching your leg you know where you are and you’re concerned that you’re doing the wrong thing.

Did somebody teach you that. No it just something I discovered I was doing naturally that seemed to work and as people started asking me questions I then had to ask those questions of myself to see what is it that I’m actually doing.

I learned a lot of my hosting style and my technique as far as how to get TV by watching Dick Clark. He was a genius. And I’ve watched a lot of hosts and I’ve seen a lot of what to do and what not to do because as a warm up guy you’re you’re doing a million pilot to talk shows and game shows with hosts and may never make it to the air. And that’s a really great training ground to watch the Dick Clark was one to be obviously one of the greatest pro ever. I learned a lot from him. However this stuff you’re talking about which has that connection to the contestant and he taught me how to connect through the camera. He had a way of talking to the camera like you talking to one person and he became sort of the older brother or father or uncle guy that you trusted. And I learned a lot of how to communicate through the camera with him. The live audience. I may have been better at it.

And we talked about it but that was some stuff that I did naturally that I then later broke down figured out what it is and and learn from others as well.

So do a lot of younger guys come up to you and say hey Mark how do I do this or what can I do to get the audience eating out of my hands as you did.

Well more now. But you know television and production and show business is like an old trade guild. You know when you’re. You bet you know 100 years. Don’t you want to be a plumber you would go live with the plumber and you’d be an apprentice and you learn from him. Right.

And what I liked about show business is not particularly what you learned in school that gets you where you’re going into your apprentice under. So as I was a warmup guy which is the start of my let’s just say switch from production to talent although warm up guys the sort of suspect area that neither talent nor production. But when I started to go there I was the new kid and I was taking any job I could. So there were people in front of me that were throwing me the job they weren’t taking you know what I mean that sort of apprenticeship and giving me some pointers and then I remember there was a camera assist guy who was really funny who wanted to do warm up.

And I said All right. You know he watch me. I said I’ll throw you some of the jobs that I can’t do. And I’ll give you carte blanche to use any of my material that you heard me say since I’d probably stolen from somebody else until you can figure out your own voice. So then as I started hosting my own shows he started being a warm up guy and had a nice one as a career.

Another guy similar story is George Gray and this is a great example of how building team is everything in every business but show business is a necessity. I was the one guy in a big hit game show that Fox was taking the Fox News syndicated Stud’s it was a dating show. And at the time it was done show to be a part of an on the lot these days. You know you want to be at because in living color was going crazy and that was one studio over so Jamie Foxx and Jim Carey and all of these people it was really an exciting time. But the life brothers came to me and said There’s this kid who is a standup and he wants to get into doing warm up and I really like giving. Would you mind if you came and watched you. Well the story goes that they asked several people. They all said no because at the time we were a warm up guy who was a small business. It was very proprietary and nobody wanted anybody stealing their stuff. But I didn’t have the stuff is my way of doing it was just to relate to people and you know I’ve stumbled upon some jokes or reviews but it really wasn’t contingent upon an act. So I said sure. So George was the kid and he came and watched me a few times and then as I started to get to know him I started throwing him some jobs and then I got my own talk show. So at that point anything I had that were ongoing series. I moved to New York to do my talk show. I kind of dumped them over to George and he became top dollar guy in town at this point. I was one of the top warm up guys in town so I went to my talk show my talk show got canceled I came back to L.A. I could not get arrested. I was going broke and George was taking off because he started to get on camera so he got the daytime version of We could blink and was going to be you know pretty much transitioning to an on camera thing.

So you know while it was a little bit of humble pie I came back on the you know I’m trouble. And so he said I can help you. So he gave me win Ben Stein’s Money and I was the warm up guy on that. And then some other show. So that’s how it works. You know you build a team of people who are supporting you through each other work to support each other through it. And now I’ve got a career. George is the announcer on The Price of writing all is.

Well that’s pretty cool. What kind of goes around comes around. I’ve got to ask this though. I know that you’re a poker player and has has your ability to read people kind of help you with it with the whole poker thing before. Before I ask that question let me let me start with this. How did you start playing poker.

Well everything through the filter so I guess I got invited many many years ago down to the L.A. Poker Classic this is right at the height of when the World Poker Tour just took that little camera and put it on the on the on the table. And now the homebodies casino the poker card and the poker boom started right. So right at the height of the poker boom they were having a series of tournaments at the Commerce Casino and the opening tournament was huge and they invited a bunch of celebrities to come down and play free by any and you get to play. So it was almost a celebrity and every table and they were at this point. I mean from you know Tobey Maguire down to me. You know it was all kinds of people. And so they brought they brought us in on a Sunday for like a tutorial is the first time they ever play Holdom and we sat around and played and they told us the basics of the game and then the tournament started and I played and that lasted about an hour and then I was out. I had no idea what I was doing. And then from that they invited me to play on a celebrity Hollywood Home Game I think it was called. So I played at this table on TV really having no idea what I was doing Antonio Esfandiari. And to walk where they are and I really had no idea. And I played terribly and I was pretty quickly after that I got the pricing right like in the show in Atlantic City and I was so frustrated by that experience that was going to air on TV that I read a couple of books right next to the Taj Mahal at the time. And I went and played poker every day. Read books and play poker. And I was still horrible but the horrible thing is while I was playing in the poker room the episode that I had tape aired where I played horribly and the whole group just kind of booed me. So that was humbling. So I kind of dedicated it as a game guy. I like crosswords logic puzzles sudoku don’t do this to me was the open again. So I started studying the game and in the past three or four years I’ve been playing regularly and and I think it’s a really beautiful game.

You know that I’m enjoying learning sort of the people at Voodoo you’d know that you were actually there and they booed because you were a poor player loving.

They knew me because at the time they recognized me but it was sort of like Oh are you 15 you’re all in with eight or. And they were right.

Right. So now let’s go back to that question that I asked earlier. Does has your skill of reading people and making them comfortable helped you in the game of poker.

I think there’s to some degree that helps me because I’m not as much of a mathematical player as the bigger pros are although I’m learning to do that. So I fill that void. I get the basic idea of where we are mathematically and then sort of the table profiling the players do you know how you kind of crack this guy place tight this guy please lose this. This woman you know tends to always follow through with the continuation better or whatever those things are. That’s where it falls into more of my intuition more than tracking. So I kind of am able to do that listening thing. I talked about two profiles the other players that as far as like picking up tells them stuff and I’m going to say right now I’m several years into playing semi professionally and I don’t look for 12. I don’t use the tail. I think they are just as dangerous as they are helpful. You know you think you pick up a towel and then you make a bet or a play based on the tell and you are wrong and you really have defied the mathematics of things. But I guess there is some listening and intuition I use that reflects back to I spoke about that is helpful in the game. Sure.

Are you a. Are you a blogger.

Well you know there’s something that as I’ve learned to play poker I don’t even like that term anymore.

You don’t like to look this way you don’t need to want anymore. I don’t like the term Blash.

Oh ok because. Because to the non poker player bluffing sounds like you’re just arbitrarily picking a moment just to lie and see if you can get somebody to believe you. Right. And if they do then it’s that moment on TV where you’re I look I had you know do seven lawsuits and I won because they lied. You know I look at bluffing differently. I look at everything and it’s situational. OK especially and analysts. Let’s carry out this whole conversation say I’m speaking predominately in Terdiman poker which is entirely different than cascade poker. OK. That the mindset of cash game poker is not the same as turning the poker and in turn a poker and all in would mean your tournament life. So it has the weight it should have.

That’s the most poetic poker play is tournament poker because you can’t really load your chips so that then you turn a poker there’s three elements there’s chips there’s position and there’s cards and the cards are added bonus but chimp’s imposition are a lot more important. And what cards you have as a matter of fact my philosophy is to play the game so that the cards become so the block of the cards is at least minimum or minimize if not eliminate it.

So. So the reason I don’t really love the term blood is that it’s a situational presentation. So most of my bobs that would be by the numbers of blah would be what you would call a semi bluff in the real poker world because I might have had a starty hand or a speculative hand that I I opened with and maybe I opened with that hand because of my position in chips. Right. So for instance if I’m short staffed or mid stacked I’m in early position and I get some suited connectors like 7 8. That’s not really a good starting hand in first second or third position. Right. But if I’m Chip and I’m I’m in the back then. In other words I’m late position and there’s not a lot of action in front of me. The match had a nice start with so. So there. First of all is an in the hand with something that may not have that premium then based on my position in chips tech betting the flop flop comes often. I can have a hand that’s a pretty legitimate hand but when a flop comes it’s wrecked. But now now that’s the part where I’m not playing particularly the hands of the cards I have been playing the position of the story that’s being told by old players and ball. So it may dictate that when to lead out with a raise to represent something I don’t have. And then as suddenly as a bluff. Now there’s but it’s not me deciding to bluff it that the situation presents itself and the way to win this hand is to present what the story tells and what do you mean by story people sharpeners action. You know and it starts to the left of the button and goes around. So the story is did anybody Lipin. They raised it they checked the Vegas. So right. And then there’s the action that happens after that was there a raise and a call and what happened there. So the story’s unfolding now the flop comes in Kargil there and now you have to run everything that’s happened through the filter of what’s the story. Does it add up. So maybe at this point of the game you’ve kind of gotten a handle on what starty hands are for the player or the range of starting hand that the players who were in the hand may be playing so you can kind of guess well he’s probably going to have either Mitt or Heyes care or he’s going to play premium hands or he could hit him with anything. And then when the flop comes based on the reaction to the flop the story continues to be told now. I let out with respect to that hand. In other words if the blinds were 100 200 not covered with a 600 dollar raise in late position and I get two callers speculative right I don’t know what they have but I put them on a range of you know maybe to get a good ace or maybe they’ve got a pair or whatever. And now the swap comes and the story adds up. That would have hit me right even though it didn’t then I might have to come out with another raise here. You know I’m I have to leave out with a bet and if I lead out with the bad and then we’ll learn one or two things and neither one of the other people work. You know they hit or they have something great. So that bet size. I have to put sinner’s on I’ll hurt myself or they’re going to fold because they have to put me on a pretty decent hand. In other words as often happens where you’ll get out with something like 10 Jack and the flop of gum a rag rag but if I’m forced to act I might raise again. So they go Well I think you have the eight that would have been a good starting point for me. Right so that’s a bluff but is it dictated by the situation. Not because I decided to I can get one over on these people that actually makes sense.

So does a bad card player ruin the story if you will.

Yeah the bad card player is the variable that ultimately certainly the cash game can mean a lot of money for good players. But in the tournament game can really be a horrible thing because a bad card player is playing like a bad card player. You know we’ll bat into a race with a flush draw or a gut shot straight or a weak pair or whatever and they get lucky and when they get lucky and that’s what I’m talking about. Luck doesn’t really care if you’re a good player or a bad player. Luck is just luck. So bad players will stay in hand. They should have put the story together to get out. Right.

And because they don’t know enough to see what’s happening they’ll play anyway and sometimes they get to your buddies want to play cards anymore after after you know celebrity Mark is now a baller if you will.

Well what’s funny is I have a group of old friends that we used to play nickel dime mix game not real poker and wild cards and stuff right. And I still play with them. You know we get together every month months or so and and we play and it’s fun and it’s no big money. But if they ever want to go around to fold them it becomes pretty funny.

Sometimes I’ll play around and I looked at my cards and I’ll just play blind or they like Mark your ass.

Yeah I think there’s a lot of buzz in that game I do a lot of smack talk. So yeah.

All of us showing off but. But I must add that in the world of poker I’m way down the level of play I’m not anywhere near the big pro level but I’m learning what I’m learning.

Are you intimidated ever.

No I I so much posturing happens at a poker table and attempts to intimidate and talk and I laugh at that because cards car situations situations and and you know it’s only a game of poker. So I don’t really get intimidated. I always feel like I know more than the guys next to me. So I mean there are times when I’m playing on the table and I realize that I might be a little bit out back and then it’s just about learning but you really have to know your game you really can’t get ahead of what people think of you because you start making bad choices. So I you know I just I sit real quiet watching what’s going on sometimes I’m doing a crossword puzzle while I’m playing the game. And because it’s you know slow game and you’re there for hours. And I don’t I don’t engage in any sort of vendetta kind of conversation. I don’t try to bully. I just wait for my time take my spot.

Do you think that you intimidate people because of your celebrity.

I always laugh that there’s a point in the game where someone recognizes me I can go hours with nobody pays attention to a pretty low key of the table. And then once somebody starts talking about the game tell me about show business. It takes me out of my game a little bit. And then there there is like if I’m traveling I’m playing in a local you know some local casino or something and I get recognized and there is a little bit of I took a pot off of that guy. So I’ll get calls on things that would normally get because the novelty is the same thing I would do if I was meant to get the pro I might get into them just to see if I can pull pot so I can say I took one off or something but yeah I don’t think that’s really too much of a factor. Ideally the only thing is that I don’t protect them and I get to play poker to forget about work I don’t particularly want to sit and talk about my career when I’m at the poker table. But you know that rarely happens.

Do you think of yourself as a celebrity Mark.

Not at all. The life that I have this argument all the time. I live in a i live in Sherman Oaks California a suburb of Hollywood. Everybody is a celebrity. So it’s relative. Here I can go my whole day and nobody says a word you know but my wife always reminds me that you know I get recognized all the time and people know who I am and I am a celebrity and I’m like any and none of the scale of what real celebrity is. I’m just grateful that those people who do recognize me come up and say hello that my level of notoriety is not so much that it impacts my life in a negative manner. At my level anyone who says hello to me or ask for an autograph or a picture is just a lovely distraction and a lovely you know chat and a moment to say hello and I really can’t describe it as what those outside the business would would project that what it is to be a celebrity. I work like anybody else and then you know my life is pretty much like everybody else’s except I have a lot of free time.

Do you ever get star struck when you meet somebody you know.

Years ago I had a couple opportunities to do shows like Access Hollywood Extra and the Golden Globes and things like that. And I used to say I’ll do it but I hate talking to celebrities and to my demise. I lost them jobs that I should have taken you know back in the day. It’s not that I get star struck. There are a couple. Sure I would get starstruck by now but I get starstruck so much by celebrities but I’m not as interested in talking to celebrity. It’s just not as interesting to me. Regular people are far more interesting to me and that plugging whatever move you’re doing and talking about you know your workout regimen or what clothes you’re wearing is not as interesting to me. So those celebrities are engaged in something outside of that I find really fascinating. I like you know the celebrities I’ve met have big personalities so they’re great people to get to know anyway because there’s something that made them a celebrity. But talking about the business is not particularly my lane.

You know I would just so I just want to say that you know you and I we we met face to face and I’ve met a lot of celebrities just from my job as a radio personality.

And a lot of the people that I’ve met. I mean I hate to say this if anybody is ever listening but some of them are assholes and you probably run into that as well through your career. And I am unless you’re beside me when we sat down had a beer after after a show. You seem like just a super down to earth guy. I mean you gave me your home telephone number for crying out loud.

And well look I’m glad that that’s the impression you got. I’m sure I’m as much of an asshole as anybody.

The reason that celebrities often come off the vessel is that there’s you know it’s like politics there’s a certain there’s a certain profile that wants that limelight and it’s relatively narcissistic. So when you get those people one on one oftentimes that narcissism comes up as somebody kind of an asshole for me. I still have that gene and then my wife would certainly attest to me being a jerk a lot. But I have worked in a different part of show business. I’m not an actor. I’m not a music artist. I’m a host which is really facilitating other people’s work. And I’ve had ups and downs and that really keeps you humble. So basically you know I’m like a lot of people I’m married to my wife who I love. I’m raising my kids and trying to get to each day and making decisions over the years of what school are going to go to and how to like paper. And all the same stuff and my job happens to be one that people sharing the same thing. But what’s interesting is what gets projected on that is that you know if I’m on Antiques Roadshow I’m making millions of dollars a year and I’m living in these private jets and whatever but the truth is that a TV show and I’m still grinding out a living like the rest of the guys. I’m not going to sit and cry for myself. I do live a pretty idyllic life but you know it’s for me the performing like the entertaining of an audience is a joy. That’s what I’m driven to do this what keeps me here. Everything that goes along with it is really about you know providing for my family. And you know that’s like a lot of times I like to produce because it gives you a creative payoff because it’s not just being charming and saying something cool and having that hair. It’s creating something that matters and you don’t have to change. And it’s not about you. So you know I kind of you know I grew up in South Carolina. I didn’t act up really well. I really didn’t have this drive to be a star. It wasn’t about that I loved entertaining. And so it’s been sort of a blue collar approach to show business. I guess I just just don’t get too heady about it man. And you know as soon as I get heady and have a huge success and then I been you know the show gets canceled and you’re back to you know looking for a job. Then you stay pretty humble. And now I’m looking at my wife is going to give me a kiss. And the reason I tried to stay humble all these years. There’s no way you can make it through the business. I made it through. If your wife doesn’t support you 100 percent because it was shocking to me on the other end of this you know let’s wrap it up with that.

You live and you live in Sherman Oaks. You’ve been married for a long time. You’ve got two great careers. Janet how do you how do you attribute being in Hollywood being you know being a guy doing showbiz for a living and making a marriage work.

Well first of all like I said you know I’d like to tell you that stuff I did. And truthfully it’s more about my wife than what she has done. My wife came from a showbusiness family. So this freelance life of not knowing what you’re doing 13 weeks ahead of you freaks out most people. But my wife comes from a place of never knowing what the next job was anyway so she understand one of the things about a marriage and a showbiz’s marriage is that if you guys don’t support each other you can’t trust anything else to be witnesses don’t. Everything is written in jello. So you gotta know that you guys are in it for the right reasons. My wife supports me through it all because she gets it and she has this really huge spiritual take on things that there’s plenty of everything and God always put her right. So just keep doing your thing and we’ll get through the dark times and we’ll enjoy the good times. But you know outside of that as you’re managing a family because I have two children who are now grown and out of the House showbusiness was was how I made my living. But the reason I made my living was to raise two great kids and the two to support my beautiful wife. And that kind of stuff. So ironically ironically the Coens and consequently neither of my children are really bitten by the showbusiness bug although my daughter is technically in show business. That was not the overwhelming I’m going to follow their footsteps look at all this great you know celebrity stuff. My son a Navy pilot. It’s an entirely different calling and my daughter is a professional ballerina which is more art than it is show business. So you know I just stayed grounded. My wife is always reminding me with real business has a very good way of keeping you humble as you start believing your own hype. You lose your job and you can’t figure out how to pay your rent. So if you don’t get your head on straight and you don’t have a support group you’re not going to survive and that’s why you see so many stories of people in show business you know just screwing it up so badly.

Awesome conversation. Mark I appreciate it. How does somebody find out more information about you or if they have any questions about poker or I know that you’re writing a book. They want to find that book that you want that book is written. How do they reach out to you.

Well my Web site is MarkLWalberg.net  There’s no h in  Walberg and that’s probably the easy way to find me. I have a Facebook fan page you can always follow me on Instagram and Twitter. Thanks for having me. I enjoyed it.